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Svetska politika

Mimslim da Tramp mora da pokaze da je zestok momak i "war president" i da Ukrajina nije izgubljena zbog njega.
Sem toga on je obecao mir za 24 sata.
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Uzeto odavde - upravo čitam, postiram unapred jer je Simplicius uvek fenomenalan...

 
Fali još o evropi koja je željna krvi, i još USA i engleskih eksperata koji kukaju na evropsku demokratiju i kako se evropa samoubija jer ne saradjuje dovoljno sa ovim mirotvorivim genijima iz moskve i maralaga
 
Da li Tramp stvarno hoce mir?
Ako da, otkud zveckanje oruzjem oko Irana, cak i oko Kine?
Meni to deluje nekako suludo.
 
Жели мир у Европи, да буде бољи од сенилног Бајдена.
Кина му је проблем број 1.
Израел приоритет број 1.
 
Мени овај начин вођења политике Трампове администрације највише личи на Chewbacca Defense.
 
Well we have some very, very good news today,” Trump began his address exclaiming that “This is Liberation Day.”

“April 2, 2025, will forever be remembered as the day American industry was reborn, the day America’s destiny was reclaimed and the day that we began to make America wealthy again,” Trump says.
“For decades, our country has been looted, pillaged, raped and plundered by nations near and far, both friend and foe alike. American steel workers, auto workers, farmers and skilled craftsmen -- we have a lot of them here with us today. They really suffered gravely.”
“In a few moments, I will sign a historic Executive Order, reciprocal tariffs on countries throughout the world. Reciprocal. That means they do it to us and we do it to them. Very simple. Can’t get any simpler than that.”
 
Mi očigledno spadamo u "posebno istaknute prestupnike" koji orobiše Ameriku. Zato smo na posebnoj listi najgorih (po Trampovoj terminologiji i klasifikaciji). Za Srbiju dakle važe recipročne carine 37%. I verovatno još 10% baznih carina, ako se to sabira. Možemo da se oprostimo od izvoza u Ameriku. Ima li neko listu najvećih izvoznika i proizvoda koje smo im do sada izvozili?

  • The US will charge 10% baseline tariffs on practically all goods imported from other countries — meaning American importers will have to pay a surcharge to the US government for all manner of stuff produced overseas.
  • In addition, Trump laid out “discounted” reciprocal tariffs on dozens of “worst offenders” — nations that have the highest trade deficits with the United States. The US will upcharge those imports at roughly half the rate those countries impose on US goods.
  • Imported cars will be hit with a 25% tax effective at midnight.

Trampove carine.jpeg
 
Poslednja izmena:
Dobro, sad bez šale, ne verujem da su posebno razmišljali o bilo kojoj zemlji. Tramp je verovatno samo dao formulu, a sve ostalo je automatski izračunato: Na postojeće Američke carine prema nekoj zemlji svima dodati po 10%, a zemljama koje svoje tržište štite nekim administrativnim merama, ili ako je američki bilans razmene sa njima negativan, povrh toga dodati još po pola carine koju je ta zemlja uvela za Američku robu (zato su to nazvali "discounted reciprocal"). Ovo će da izazove globalni haos jer se carine ne mogu tako jedostavno računati.
 
Srbija tri puta više izvozi u BiH nego u USA gde uglavnom izvozi IT usluge, gume. municiju, pištolje i karabine, pa će ti sektori biti pogodjeni carinama osim IT koje valda nisu na spisku.
 
Poslednja izmena:
Kina izgleda prestaje da kalkulise i konacno bira stranu. Naravno, tek sada kada je savrseno jasno da su sledeci na redu.



Sto se tice Trampa, jeste imperijalista, jeste korporativni fasista, mozda nije kompetentan, ali je ipak hrabar i americki patriota. To mu se mora priznati. Zeli da ponovo uzdigne Ameriku.
Ako usput izazove veliku krizu, jos bolje.
Velika i katstrofalna ekonomsa kriza bi mogla da unisti investitore koji unistavaju Beograd.



Kao 1914. imamo sukob imperija, razlika je sto jedna od imperija danas veruje u svoju superiornost na svim poljima.
 
Trump radi samo ono što je najavio.
Svi su nešto iznenađeni što su amerikanci rešili da se pozabave pitanjem deficita koji ne može unedogled da traje (ovo važi i za Srbiju).

Tome je dolazio kraj na jedan ili drugi način, amerikanci su samo odlučili da to bude po njihovom, da oni izaberu vreme. Carinama rešavaju (tj. smanjuju na njima prihvatljiv nivo) oba deficita, i budžet i uvoz/izvoz. I deo tereta će platiti stranci.

Za razliku od amerikanaca, mi (ima ljudi i na ovom forumu) mislimo da možemo imati deficit do beskonačnosti a to finansirsti beskonačnim zaduživanjem. Našu državu to ne dotiče, a jednog dana kada udarimo glavom u zid prestavićemo to kao neku prirodni fenomen (eto desilo se, ko je mogao da utiče na to).
 
Da. Neke drzave (Vijetnam) su najavile da ce njihove firme absorbovati americke carine, tj, podnece troskove umesto Amerikanaca i pristace da smanje svoje profite i time plate za mogucnosti i cast da prodaju svoje proizvode u SAD.

Panika (posebno evropskog, militaristickog) establishmenta govori nam da je Tramp na pravom putu.


 
Poslednja izmena:
Sto se tice Trampa, jeste imperijalista, jeste korporativni fasista, mozda nije kompetentan, ali je ipak hrabar i americki patriota
Apsolutno!
Radi se o osobi sa hiljadu lica, veoma slojevitoj i kompleksnoj, o kojoj se ne sme suditi po principu "crno i belo".

Ovo sa carinama, po mom mišljenju, teško da može kratkoročno ili srednjoročno, da zavrti industrijski razvoj u SAD.
Nije dovoljno samo uvesti carine, treba investirati u supstituciju izvoza. A da bi to uradio, pored para, moraš imati i resurse - posebno ljudske. I to je problem.
Stara garda industrijskih radnika u SAD je odavno ispod zemlje. U međuvremenu nije bilo zanavljanja, cela zemlja se orjentisala na usluge. Izgubljene su veštine potrebne za ozbiljnu industrijsku proizvodnju. Prosto, zaboravili su kako se to radi. Nema ljudi, nema ruku, sposobnih da sada uđu u fabriku i počnu da rade.

Trebaće bar jedna decenija da se stvoji generacija sposobna za rad.
Veliko je pitanje na šta će to na kraju da ispadne. A sve vreme, SAD će trpeti od povratnih carina jer su i dalje veoma uvozno zavisni.
Ovo će imati momentalni negativan efekat na kvalitet života, zbog većih cena.

Kompleksna je priča, mnogo varijabli u jednačini, a vreme je bitan faktor.
Videćemo!
 
Trump radi samo ono što je najavio.
Svi su nešto iznenađeni što su amerikanci rešili da se pozabave pitanjem deficita koji ne može unedogled da traje (ovo važi i za Srbiju).

Tome je dolazio kraj na jedan ili drugi način, amerikanci su samo odlučili da to bude po njihovom, da oni izaberu vreme. Carinama rešavaju (tj. smanjuju na njima prihvatljiv nivo) oba deficita, i budžet i uvoz/izvoz. I deo tereta će platiti stranci.

Za razliku od amerikanaca, mi (ima ljudi i na ovom forumu) mislimo da možemo imati deficit do beskonačnosti a to finansirsti beskonačnim zaduživanjem. Našu državu to ne dotiče, a jednog dana kada udarimo glavom u zid prestavićemo to kao neku prirodni fenomen (eto desilo se, ko je mogao da utiče na to).

Evo šta o deficitu misli profesor Petis, ja njega pratim na druđtvenim mrežama, skinuo samnjegove tvitove, malo je komplikovano za čitanje, najbolje ubaciti u google transplate

It is hard to see much systemic thinking in the new round of tariffs, and because trade can only be resolved on a systemic basis, and not on a bilateral basis, this means that they are unlikely to be very helpful. Unfortunately it is also very hard to discuss tariffs in a non-hysterical way. They are neither the panacea that the Trump administration supposes they are, nor are they the instrument of Satan, as most American economists truly believe them to be. They are simply one of many industrial policy tools designed to tax consumption and subsidize production, and as such can be expansionary under certain circumstances and contractionary under others. In fact other policies can be much more effective. I'd argue, for example, that tariffs are a relatively minor contributor to China's trade surplus. Far more important ways to tax consumption and subsidize production in China have been its undervalued currency, a financial repressed banking system that... directs credit to favored sectors, factors that have limited wage growth relative to productivity growth, and overspending on logistical infrastructure. Tariffs are supposed to work by doing the same thing, but they are usually less efficient ways of doing it. While some countries may retaliate against US tariffs by raising their own tariffs on US goods, other countries will find far more effective – and less visible – ways to do so, by depreciating their currencies, for example, or by directing more cheap credit to manufacturers. To make matters worse, the new tariffs don't really address the real US problem. One obvious reason is that the tariffs are largely bilateral, and while bilateral imbalances may impress those who don't understand trade and capital flows, they are in fact pretty useless. Bilateral tariffs mostly divert trade, but because they don't address the internal imbalances in the surplus countries that drive their trade surpluses, nor do they address the US role in accommodating these surpluses, they will most likely just shift bilateral balances... without changing the overall US trade deficit. This, remember, is what happened after the first round of US tariffs in 2018, when the US deficit with China declined, but the overall US deficit and the overall Chinese surplus both rose. A second problem with the latest round of tariffs is that they target the wrong countries. Trump focuses on whether or not a country has a trade surplus with the US rather than on whether or not that country is running large, persistent surpluses overall. It is only the latter that export what Joan Robinson called beggar-thy-neighbor trade surpluses. Countries like Canada, Mexico and Japan are not part of the overall problem because they run overall trade deficits that help absorb some of the global imbalances. f the Trump administration is really serious about reducing the US trade deficit, the latest round of tariffs won't help, but of course any discussion about their actual impact will be drowned in the hysteria likely to emanate from either side. I continue to expect the US to run large trade deficits over the next year or two, and this won't change until there is a more rational approach to changing the US role in accommodating global beggar-thy-neighbor policies. That's why I expect to see articles this year about the surprising export "resilience" of trade surplus countries. The US matters to global trade not mainly as an importer but as a net importer, and until that changes, the impact on overall trade will be less than expected.
Najkraće, on kaže da se deficit na ovaj način ne rešava i da ovo neće popraviti stvar

A evo i Krugmana, koji jeste zakleti anti trampovac, tako da mu mnogi ne veruju. Ali je ipak nobelovac

Just a quick update after Trump’s Rose Garden speech.
I guess it’s just possible that when we get details about the Trump tariffs they will be lower than what he just announced, but based on what he said, he’s gone full-on crazy. It’s not just that he appears to be imposing much higher tariffs than almost anyone expected. He’s also making false claims about our trading partners — not sure in this case whether they’re lies, because he may be truly ignorant — that will both enrage them and make it very hard to back down.
Basically, he’s claiming that the rest of the world is placing very high tariffs on U.S. products, and that he’s imposing “reciprocal” tariffs that are only half what they impose on us. Here’s the chart he showed:
The left column show the tariffs others are supposedly charging on US products — and it’s completely crazy. Focus on the European Union. The EU, like the United States, has generally low tariffs; the average tariff it charges on US goods is less than 3 percent.
So where does this 39 percent number come from? I have no idea. Many people speculated that Trump would count value-added taxes as tariffs, even though they aren’t — European producers selling to the EU market pay the same VAT as US producers, so it doesn’t discriminate and therefore isn’t protectionist. But even if you get that wrong, EU VAT rates are in the vicinity of 20 percent, so you still can’t get anywhere close to 39 percent.
You have to wonder whether Elon Musk’s Dunning-Kruger kids are now producing tariff numbers.
But you know that having once claimed that Europe charges tariffs more than 10 times as high as reality, Trump will never drop that claim. I don’t know how many people noticed, but he’s still claiming that we’re subsidizing Canada by $200 billion a year. Aside from the basic mistake of claiming that a Canadian trade surplus means that we’re somehow subsidizing Canada, he’s inflating the actual trade surplus by a factor of three. Many, many people have pointed out the error, but Trump is sticking with it, the same way Musk is sticking with the millions of dead Social Security beneficiaries thing.
If you had any hopes that Trump would step back from the brink, this announcement, between the very high tariff rates and the complete falsehoods about what other countries do, should kill them.
 
Zašto je na našoj strani 74% carina na americku robu?
 
Nema ovo nikakve veze sa deficitom. Npr u trgovini SAD sa nama, Srbija je ta koja ima ogroman deficit, pa smo opet dobili enormne carine -

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Ovo je projekat iza koga stoji ili ludilo vodje ili mogućnost da se iscedi još profita udarom na male i srednje biznise, gde bi se najjači još više ukrupnili. Ili ako bismo išli u total teorije zavere, kripto lobi hoće da okrene ekonomiju naglavačke kako bi kripto preuzeo primat.
U svakom slučaju, cene svega će sigurno porasti što se desilo i prethodnog puta kada je uveo carine na belu tehniku -


Kada se uvoznim proizvodima digne cena na ovaj način, svi će podići cene jer je ovo dobra prilika za povećanje profita. Plus komponente i sirovine koje se uvoze iz Kine, gde će porast cena biti ispraćen sa dve strane - kineski čelik i aluminijum će da budu skuplji zbog carina a ujedno i američki jer će da podignu zbog povećanja profita. E onda na to dolazi još povećanje cene finalnog proizvoda takodje sa oba faktora.

Skok cena će pokriti kupci i to je neminovnost, što će da dovede do manje potrošnje i većoj neizvesnosti a tržište će to jasno da pokaže danas sa stanjem na berzi kada se otvori (Tramp je naravno ovo sve objavio po zatvaranju berze).
 
Људи се понашају као да је америчка роба у целом свету била изузета од царина, па ето откуд сад ово
 
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