Beijing 2008 - Olympic Games

[dragan]

Počelo je : http://en.beijing2008.cn

 

[vrachar]

Lepo otvaranje.

 

[jovanovm]

Fascinira me kolicina investicija koja se desila, to je neverovatno.

 

[cosmic]

Kinezi su majstori za ceremonije, svaka cast!!!

 

[Cone]

Oni su za potrebe OI,celo jedno radnicko naselje izmestili da bi sagradili OLY selo,a suska se da je sve ukupno(novi objekti,organizacija,obezbedjenje) to kostalo oko 42 000 000 000 $,bar tako cujem na tv,stampi itd.
Znam da je samo za kontrolisanje klime i obezbedjenje utosena 1/4 novca,pritom su trenutno ugasene 192 fabrike,a za samu organizaciju oko 3,2 milijarde.Stadion "Pticije Gnezdo" je kostao oko pola milijarde,a za ostalo nisam siguran.Znam i da su ove OI bile skuple od prethodnih za oko 15 000 000 000 $.Ove sledece ce valjda biti u Londonu,a sumnjam da ce moci da pridju Kinezima po organizaciji i novcu.

 

[shmeksi]

London planira da potrosi 50 milijardi ;-)

 

[creme-nadlle]

50 Md engleskih troskova.
Ekvivalent 42 Md koje Kinezi potrose, za London bi , da urade isti posao, trebalo zcca 250-300 Md.
Osim ako dovedu sve Kineze, onda moze i za 50 Md.

 

[vrachar]

Ma kakvi Englezi... za njih ce vrhunac biti ako dovedu Spice Girls na otvaranje :lol:

 

[guimaraes]

Naravno da se London neće ložiti kao Kinezi iz prostog razloga što nisu zemlja 3. sveta koja mora da se dokazuje.

A i što rekoše komentatori, ukoliko bi se nastavio ovaj trend ulaganja u Olimpijske igre, posle Londona bi ostalo samo par gradova na svetu koji bi mogli da organizuju Igre, a to sigurno nije nićija želja.

 

[creme-nadlle]

Naravno da se London neće ložiti kao Kinezi iz prostog razloga što nisu zemlja 3. sveta koja mora da se dokazuje.

Kinezi zemlja treceg sveta?

Nemas pojma.

 

[vucko]

Ova olimpijada je kao dokaz koliko su uznapredovali kinezi i da ce sada ocigledno dominirati svetom kao sto je nemacka 1936 u minhenu,ali najbolje od svega je sto kinezi nisu ratoborni.Hvala bogu na tome!

 

[Homer Jay]

Posto vec ne razgovaramo o sportu, nego o globalnoj politici i eknomiji, slazem se da Londonu nije potreban taj nivo investicija kao Pekingu.

Uporedite samo Peking na pocetku ulaganja i sada - to je jedan potpuno novi grad.

A London npr. ima vec jedan Wembley (koji je kostao 700 miliona funti), jednu O2 arenu, jedan Wimbledone.....

Nemojmo se zaje*******avati, Kina jeste uradila sjajan posao koji tesko da ce iko nadmasiti, ali oni imaju jos dosta problema da rese kada Olimpijska baklja krene put Londona.

A kada je u pitanju Nemacka 1936, kao i svaka iluzija i ta je kad tad morala da prsne

 

[Влада]

Колико сам ја пратио, Лондон не да планира инвестиције него се већ захуктала дискусија да ли треба трошити толико пара на ОИ (нећу да набадам цифре пошто причам из главе али лако је то наћи).
Себастијан Коу је чим су добили ОИ најавио да ће се у East End-у и те како рушити и правити грандиозни комплекс, слично као и у Пекингу.
Њихов "проблем" је што ипак у Лондону не влада "чврста рука" већ процедура која односи далеко више времена.

Ево линка ка званичном сајту (таман погледајте и лого који је згрозио већину) http://www.london2012.com/index.php а ево и слика будућег Олимпијског стадиона

Olympic Stadium
The innovative Olympic Stadium design allows for an 80,000 seat Athletics stadium to be converted into a more easily maintained 25,000 seat venue after the Games.

A roof will stretch around the Stadium to provide cover and support the lighting and sound systems used to stage the Games. It will also provide a base for special effects during the ceremonies. The Stadium will be built to international track and field standards for athletes.

During the Games

After the Games
After the Games, the Stadium will be transformed into a 25,000 capacity venue that will host a variety of sporting, educational, cultural and community events. It will be a venue for memorable sporting moments during 2012, but it will continue to add value to the local community for years to come.

 

[Влада]

Кратка претрага по Гуглу и ево дела из Википедије о финансирању

Financing

The costs of mounting the Games are separate to those for building the venues and infrastructure, and redeveloping the land for the Olympic Park. While the Games are privately funded, the venues and Park costs are met largely by public money.

On 15 March 2007 Tessa Jowell announced to the House of Commons a budget of £5.3 billion to cover building the venues and infrastructure for the Games, at the same time announcing the wider regeneration budget for the Lower Lea Valley budget at £1.7 billion.

On top of this, she announced various other costs including an overall additional contingency fund of £2.7 billion, security and policing costs of £600 million, VAT of £800 million and elite sport and Paralympic funding of nearly £400 million. According to these figures, the total for the Games and the regeneration of the East London area, is £9.345 billion. Mayor Ken Livingstone pledged the Games Organising Committee would make a profit.[15]

The costs for staging the Games (£2 billion) are funded from the private sector by a combination of sponsorship, merchandising, ticketing and broadcast rights. This budget is raised and managed by the London 2012 Organising Committee. According to Games organisers, the funding for this budget broadly breaks down as:

* 63% from Central Government;
* 23% from National Lottery
* 13% from the Mayor of London and the London Development Agency

On 18 August 2007 The Belfast Telegraph reported that the right to stage the Olympic Games becoming more muted as realisation dawns on the public of the enormous costs involved in creating facilities for the athletes.[16] Grassroot sport cuts will fund Olympics, government figures suggested on 19 August 2007.[17]

In November 2007, Edward Leigh MP, criticised the organisers for significantly under-estimating the cost of staging the games, suggesting they had either "acted in bad faith or were incompetent". [18]

On 10 December 2007 Tessa Jowell announced confirmation of the budget announced earlier in 2007. In June 2007, the Ministerial Funders’ Group - established to manage the allocation of contingency to the ODA within the overall budget - met and agreed a first allocation of contingency to the ODA, being £360m out of the £500m of initial contingency announced in March, to enable the ODA to manage early cost pressures.

Following its second meeting on 26 November 2007, the Funders’ Group has now agreed a baseline budget and scope proposed by the ODA. The total budgeted base cost to be met by the public sector funding package remains at £6.090bn including tax and excluding general programme contingency as announced in March. This includes the allocation to the ODA of the remaining £140m from the initial £500m contingency announced in March. [19]

There have, however, been concerns over how the Olympics are to be funded. In February 2008, a London Assembly culture and sport committee report expressed concerns over the funding of the games taking away money from London's sports and arts groups. [20] There have also been complaints that funding towards the Olympics has been to the detriment of funding other areas of the UK. In Wales, there has been criticism from Plaid Cymru about the games depriving Wales of money, by using UK-wide funding rather than English funding.[21] The Wales on Sunday newspaper claimed former UK Prime Minister, Tony Blair broke his promise not to use National Lottery funding for the Olympic games.[22] [23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Summer_Olympics

Толико о Лондону, а сад Срби може ли која медаљица!

 

[shmeksi]

Beijing: Olympics or Bust?…

July 31st, 2008

With all of the hoopla surrounding the coming Summer Olympics in Beijing (Aug 8-24) one would expect a heavy dose of tourists , infrastructure developments, and fanfare. I would venture to say that the majority of this has come true and is taking place, however, one industry very close to home, is experiencing an underwhelming outcome from the event. Hotels are apparently “slashing” rates simply due to lack of demand.

According to CNN.com, the original estimate of 500,000 projected visitors has been scaled back significantly and the bulk of the problem is due to security issues; this includes China tightening their Visa controls and the effects of China publicly breaking up “terrorist plots” against the games. The current average room prices in three-star hotels are down to $60 per night from $100 in previous months, according to the China Daily newspaper (July 15) and four-star hotels have dropped to about $117 a night, from $220.

Eric Wong, co-head of Asian Real Estate Research with investment bank UBS in Hong Kong, said the drop in rates resulted from a combination of overambitious pricing and the new security measures, which took many hotels by surprise. Hotels have had to slash prices right before the start of previous Olympics Games elsewhere, he said.

“We all hear how stringent searches and visa requirements and rejections based on the slightest whim of political activism is diminishing the desire to visit China,” Wong said. “Beyond the Olympics, things should turn normal.”

Most Olympic hotels that have been approved by the Beijing Olympic Organizing Committee are four- or five- star, Wu said, and their rooms have already been booked. Those hotels cater to Olympic officials, sponsors and national Olympic delegations. Their prices were set last year, by negotiation, rather than by market demand, he said.
These reports are fairly surprising considering all recent Summer Olympic games have garnered huge number of visitors, but also booms in local tourism infrastructure including hotels of all service levels. It makes me wonder about the real reason behind the slowdown. Could it be that the world is simply not ready for a Chinese Olympics? or that we, as tourists, really do fear terrorism?… or simply that the Olympics have lost their luster due to doping scandals and the rise of professional sports?

Despite this apparent slowdown, the fact remains that Beijing (and China in general) is a fascinating destination for a vacation to see beautiful nature or the stunning architectural achievements that the country is becoming known for (like the image above of Herzog and Meuron´s Birds Nest Stadium). Even if tourists are not keen on attending the Olympics or their related events, due to these lowered hotel prices China would serve as an ideal vacation spot for Americans traveling on the weak dollar, or Europeans taking advantage of the thriving Euro; snagging a great hotel room at one of the new hotels like The Emperor Beijing should be appealing. The Emperor is a new member to Design Hotels that was designed by the renowned design firm Graft Lab and is located in the heart of Beijing.

izvor: http://futureblog.designhotels.com/?p=439

 

[creme-nadlle]

Mislim da vecini ucesnika Foruma, zapravo nije jasno sto-sta oko Kine...
Ovo sto su podigli u Pekingu za Olimpijadu, u ovoj ili nekoj drugoj formi, digli bi i onako i ovako.
Posto godisnje zavrsavaju poslovnog , stambenog i javnog prostora u kolicini od oko pola milijarde kvadrata...
Tako su od , prakticno gomile sela koja su to bila pre 5-15 godina , sada napravili gomile megalopolisa sa odlicnom putnom i energetskom infrastrukturom. Ne mogu da kazem i vodovodno-kanalizacionom, ne zato sto i to nije slucaj, vec zato sto u kineskim gradovima 'oce da " tukne" ... sto je , zapravo , iz razloga prevelikog koriscenja zacina nama neprijatnih i zato sto stalno nesto kuvaju.
Pre 4-5 godina Svetska Banka je umesto termina Bruto Nacionalni Proizvod ( GNP) uvela termin Bruto Naionalni Prihod ( GNI). I odgovarajuce statisticke jedinice " per capita", Sta govori ovo? Npr. Ajde da uporedimo Englesku i Kinu, per capita:
U kategoriji Prihod per capita, Englezi imaju brojku od oko 30.000 Eu GNI po glavi. Kinezi imaju brojku od oko 8.000 Eu GNI po glavi. ( pazi ovih je 80.000.000 a ovih drugih 1.300.000.000, imajte u vidu apsolutne brojeve...)
kada je stari nacin racunanja u pitanju, i kada bi za proizvode i usluge ( sto nije slucaj) izjednacili cene , odnosno sveli ih na neki svetski prosek koliko krajnji korisnik u svetu placa robu ili uslugu, situacija bi bila GNP po glavi u Engleskoj je 14.000,- Eu po glavi. A u Kini... isto 14.000 Eu po glavi... Hmmmmm......
A ako bi iz GNP izbacili proizvodnju usluga i obracunavali samo robu, po prosecnim svetskim cenama ( OK, to nije potpuno precizno izracunjivo...) GNProizvoda u Engleskoj je oko 7.000 Eu po glavi, a u Kini 9.000 Eu po glavi...
Kako to da u Kini ljudi imaju toliko manji standard, onda?
Evropske zemlje , pa i Engleska imaju akumulirani kapital i mnogo ga je je u porodicama. A sada proizvode vrlo malo. I to sto proizvode, obracunavaju po lokalnim cenama.
Kina je sve sto je stvorila u ovom smislu, izvela u zadnjih 15-tak godina. Iz tog razloga novostvoreno bogatstvo je potroseno na milijarde kilometara infrastrukture ( autoputeva u Kini se pravi godisnje 500-800 Km...u losim godinama...) Gradjevinske aktivnosti i dobra za javnu upotrebu itd...
Sta to govori o danima koji dolaze? Svet sada zavisi od Kine jako ! jer, izuzev hrane i energenata, pola proizvoda koji se koriste u svetu u svakodnevnoj upotrebi dolazi ..odakle? Pa, odatle...
Evo jednog primera kako to zapravo izgleda:
Kada dolazis na ANT u Beograd sa zapada, negde iznad Rume, recimo, avion se spusti ispod oblaka i mozes da vidis ispod krila: polja, livade, sumu ... i tako letis 10-tak minuta dok ne vidis Beograd i spustis se na aerodrom.
Kad letis u Shanghai sa juga, 50 km pre aerodroma, spustis se ispod oblaka i 10-tak miuta gledas... nepregledno more plavih krovova...To su nove fabrike. I onda vidis stazu za auto trke i...hiljade zgrada tipa Usce ispresecano sa gomilama autoputeva. .. O Guandongu, koji je jos impresivniji, necu ni da pisem...

Koje je , po meni najatraktivnije turisticko mesto sada? pa, Kina. To je neverovatna koncentracija onoga sto tamo moze da se vidi. problem je samo sto je rentiranje kola i voznja od mesta do mesta gotovo nemoguca. Prvo rent-a-car sluzba je losa, prakticno ne postoji. Drugo, nezamisliva mreza autoputeva i regionalnih puteva je nemoguca za shvatiti je ( putni znaci sa kukama i motikama). A hotela? Koliko hoces i kakvih hoces. I uvek idi u kineski, ne u neki koji pripada lancu. Ja sam bio u Mariottu, Sofitelu i Howard Johnsonu i u kineskim hotelima koji nisu u lancu ( tipa Doncheng International, Foshan City itd...)Kineski su bolji, i duplo jeftiniji.

 

[shmeksi]

To je samo jedna strana medalje. U vecini slucajeva su objekti "nove Kine" izgradjene na prostoru naselja gde je ranije zivela sirotinja i radnicka klasa. Nije problem sto je to tu izgradjeno, ali ti seljaci/radnici nisu dobili nikakvu nadoknadu za to tj. ako su i dobili neku nadoknadu to nije ni blizu onoga sto im je obecano od strane investitora, ali nije problem u investitorima jer oni uglavnom i daju obecanu nadoknadu, ali zbog zakona u Kini da zemljiste pripada narodu taj novac za nadoknadu se daje lokalnim zvanicnicima koji onda treba da proslede stanarima tih objekata, ali je nazalost to u praksi retko. Korupcija tamo jednistavno cveta cveta. O snovnim ljudskim pravima ne zelim ni da pricam.

 

[guimaraes]

Zemlja u kojoj je za 90% ljudi plata od 100$ nedosanjani san je za mene itekako zemlja 3. sveta.

Niko ne spori da su oni velesila kao država, pa i da će narod tamo znatno bolje živeti, ali su trenutno beda.

 

[shmeksi]

Nazalost tih 90% ljudi veruje da ce i oni uspeti da ostvare kineski san, ali realno samo malom procentu ce to poci za rukom

 

[creme-nadlle]

Momci,ako neku temu ne poznajete, bolje da o njoj ne diskutujete..

 

[shmeksi]

Momci,ako neku temu ne poznajete, bolje da o njoj ne diskutujete..

stric sa celom svojom porodicom zivi tamo vec 20 godina :kafa:

 

[creme-nadlle]

Jel' ti i stric ne govorite?

 

[guimaraes]

Momci,ako neku temu ne poznajete, bolje da o njoj ne diskutujete..

Jel hoćeš da kažeš da nije tačno da 90% Kineza u Kini ima platu manju od 100$ mesečno?

 

[shmeksi]

Jel' ti i stric ne govorite?

Vidjam ga jednom u 5 godina (poslednji put je bio prosle godine), ti mozes da verujes ili ne verujes, ali nemoj da omalovazavas tudja iskustva. Da li sam ja tebi ista rekao za hotele? Nisam, jer pojma nemam oko toga i verovacu ti na rec. Ti si mozda video samo jednu stranu medalje (onu zlatnu) ali dopusti i da drugi iznesu svoje misljenje. :kafa:

 

[Homer Jay]

Hmmm

Atina ili Persija?